菲德勒和德约算不算同一代人.docx
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菲德勒和德约算不算同一代人
.TheShortestGeneration
NovakDjokovic:
NogenerationbetweenhimandRogerFederer
WhenNovakDjokovicrecently paidtribute toRogerFederer,sayingthattheSwissmasterwasadmiredbyplayers ofDjokovic’sgeneration,manyacademictypesmighthavehadalittleweep —andnotbecausenoneofuswilleverbeabletogradepapersat130milesperhour,orwhatevertheconversionmightbefrommphtopph.
Djokovicwasbornin1987,Federerin1981.That’snotenoughtimeforabiologicalcycleinhumans(thoughitwouldbeforprettymuchanythingelseintheanimalkingdom).Let’scallthiscourtlygenerationtheDjokovicSix.
Theon-courtuseoftheword generation mightcreateafrissonintheworldofprofessionalathletics,butinthelanguageofacademetheword generation carriesitsownpsychologicalbaggage.
Whobelongstoyourgeneration?
Whatdefinesthegenerationtowhichsomeoneotherthanyoumightbesaidtobelong?
Insomecontexts,agenerationmightbethe20yearsthatcan,andoftenusedto,markthegapfrombirthtoparenthood,ormaybefromovumtoWimbledon.Butwecan’tcomfortablyassumeanyonemeans20yearswhentheword“generation”isinvokedtoday.
Ifyou’reaprofessor,youmightidentifywiththecohortoffellowstudentsyouknewingraduateschool,thoseenergeticyoungcontemporarieswhodiscoveredFoucaultorButlerorAgamben,ordeBeauvoirorMandelbrotorChomskyoreitheroftheFriedmans(MiltonorThomas)atthesametimeyoudid.
Anawarenessofcontemporaneityisonefactorinestablishingageneration.Youkindofknowwhenyoursis.Was.Stillis.
But generation canhaveboundariesbothsoftandinsistentatthesametime.Advertisingandsatirehavehelpedus,thoughnotinahelpfulway,withthePepsiGenerationandtheMeGeneration.PsychodemographershavegivenusGenerationX.Wehave(andifwedon’tyet,wewillsoon)theZuccottiParkGenerationand,locally,generationsnamedafterothernotablelocalevents.
Therearemanyexamplesofgroupsidentifiedasthe“generationof” —thehistoryofmodernSpanishliterature,forexample,enshrinestheGenerationof1898andtheGenerationof1927asgroupsofwriterswhosharedconcernsorvaluesrespondingtothecrisesofthemoment.
There’ssomecomfortinseeingoneselforone’speersaspartofachronologicallymeaningfulunit.Wedoitallthetime.(“MygenerationwashappywiththePrincessphone.Everycallwasmagic.”Or“Mygenerationalwaysasksforrecyclablepaperbagsatthegrocerystore,youselfishplasticist.”)
Buttheicegetsthinnerwhenyoulookatthoseoutsideofwhatonethinksofasone’sowngeneration.
Sentencesthatbegin“academicsofyourgeneration”arelikelytocontainvaluejudgments(“inmygenerationwedidthissortofthingwithoutneedingtoconsultalifecoachfirst”)ornostalgia(“inmygenerationtherewerejobs”).Butit’snotclearhowlonganyoftheseacademicgenerationsmightbe.
Our generationisagroupoftimelesspeoplewhohavethebadtastetobedyingoff(thisistheonlyactivitythatspeedsupwithincreasedage). Your generationissomesliveroftimebefore our generation.
Isthemostrecentgeneration20yearsbeforeours?
Thirty?
TheDjokovicSix?
Therewillbedifferentanswersfordifferentcontexts.
Time’schariotiswinged,andshe’sgotakillerbackhand.
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midevilprof mbelvadi • adayago
Thedealistheyplayeachother,butFederer,beingolder,wasatthehighestprofessionallevelfirst.SoDjokoviccouldadmireFedererbeforebecomeahigh-levelprohimself.
Intermsbeyondtennis,orsports,oranyprofession,though,thetimeframeistricky.Anoldercolleagueofminecanbeof"mygeneration"inthathecouldbelikeanolderbrothertome.Butmyparentsaretooyoungtohavebeenhisparents.Heremembersthingsfromchildhoodthathadalreadypassedoutoffashionbythetimeofmyownchildhood.Wheredowedrawtheboundariesbetweenthesegenerations?
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disqus_lkanuY6mnJ midevilprof • 14hoursago
No...theyare5yearsapart...theyalmostcouldhavegonetohighschooltogetherandwereawareofeachotherinelitetenniscirclesYEARSbeforetheirfirstprofessional.ThiswasatackyswipeatFedfromDjoker....whowantstocreatedaylightsohecanbecalledthegreatestplayerofhisgeneration...butIwonderwhatNadalwouldstay...lol.
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MarcelNemy disqus_lkanuY6mnJ • 12hoursago
Nadalwho?
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disqus_lkanuY6mnJ mbelvadi • 15hoursago
ItwasastupidremarkbyDjoker..theyareCLEARLYinthesametennis"generation",samebirthgenerationaswell.Djokerisalittleyoungersohemightbleedovertoanother"tennis"generationthatFedwon'tmakeitto..butthereisnowayinANYshapeorformaretheyindifferentgenerationandDjokerknowsit...thiswasSHADE.
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marshallcollins • adayago
Generationisalsousedtodescribeanewdesignseries,asinautomobiles,computers,memorychips,etc.Nostandardnumberofyearsbetweengenerationsofproducts.
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raym5888 • adayago
Intermsofwhatgetstalkedaboutandwhatgetsdoneandwhodoestheteaching,Ithinktheuniversityfigureisabout10years.Talktopeopletenyearsseniorand10yjuniorandyouwillnothavemuchincommonwiththemintermsofthepeopletheymetatuniversity.+/-5yearsandtheyhavealotincommon.
AtSydneyUniversityIsparredwithanintertidalecologistfromwhenIwasinsecondyearundergraduateuntilheretired.WhenheretiredIsaid"YouarethelastofmyteacherstoretireandIamstillhereannoyingpeoplemorethan30yearslater.IhaveseenyoualloffbutImuchenjoyedarguingwithyouandannoyingyoualltheseyears".Adjunctificationhasmeantthatmostundergraduatesdonotmeetestablishedscientistsverymuchandhaveachancetofindoutwhattheyreallyknowandwhatyoudonot.Somethinghasbeenlost.
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Unemployed_Northeastern • adayago
Technologyisprobablygoingtobetheseparatorofmini-generationsgoingforward.TaketheMillennials.*Elders*inthatgeneration(likeme)grewupwiththestill-relevantDeweyDecimalsystem,Discmen,AOLfreetrialCDsandtheirblazing14.4kdownloadspeeds,andifwewerelucky,a$100setofMicrosoftEncartaCDs.CurrentMillennialsgrowupwithiPhonesandomnipresentwifi,socialmedia,andaccesstotheworld'sinfoattheirfingertips24/7.Quitefrankly,theupbringingofpeoplemyagehasmoreincommonwithmyparents'formativeyearsthanwiththatofthemeatoftheMillennialcohort.
alsotps Unemployed_Northeastern • adayago
Wellput.Iamaboomerbutgrewupwithfamilyborninthefirstdecadeofthe20thCenturyandwithWWIIEraparents.Iamclosertoearliergenerationsinmanywaysbutwasalsoanexpatriot,drivenoutbythemindlessnessofempire.NowIliveinthenever-endingofareturnedexpat.Goodenough.
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DanK48 alsotps • 19hoursago
Whywereyouformerlyonewholovedhiscountryandsupporteditsauthorityandinterestsbutthenceasedbeingsuch?
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FélixCulpa DanK48 • 17hoursago
"Expatriot"isawell-knowneggcorn.
Mycomputerauto-correctsitto"expatriate".
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DanK48 FélixCulpa • 17hoursago
Ishuddertothinkwhatmycomputeror,worseyet,myphonewouldauto-correctitto.Almostthreeyearswiththesamedamnphone,tellingittoacceptandlearnthenameBrynne,andunlessI'malert,itwill"correct"ittoBrunnereverydamntime.
Okay, StandonZanzibar isamagnificentnovel,butneedmyphonecommemorateitsauthoreverytimeItextmydaughterandusehername?
OnemoreborderlineAsperber'sinSiliconValleythinkshe'sasocialengineerwhoshouldn'tbeallowedatlargewithoutakeeper.
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alsotps DanK48 • 14hoursago
Imeant"expatriate."Idoknowbetter.
Ileftbecauseofthereasongiveninmyfirstpost.Ireturnedtofinishadegree,theonlydecisionIhaveeversecondguessed.
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JohnIii • 17hoursago
ItookNovak'scommentasabackhandedcompliment.Essentiallysayinghewasgreatbuthistimepassedandnowit'smine.
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ChrisM. JohnIii • 16hoursago
Iagree.
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AngryBill JohnIii • 15hoursago
Ikindofagreeonthis,andIlikewatchingFedererplay.Federerhasdeliveredmanybackhandedcomplimenthimself,soIamokwiththis.hahaha..
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disqus_lkanuY6mnJ AngryBill • 14hoursago
True....Federeristhekingofbackhandedcompliments...itwillnotbelostonFederer..Iexpectareply.
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disqus_lkanuY6mnJ JohnIii • 14hoursago
Yep100%backhanded....
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AngryBill • 15hoursago
Intennis,mostprofessionaltennisplayerscannotlastmorethantenyears.Onlytheverytoptalentedones(handfullintheworld)canlastmorethan10years.Istruethatafivedifferenceisadifferentgenerationintennis.Tennisisoneofthetoughestsporttomakeagoodliving.
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EduardoSavoa AngryBill • 10hoursago
Well,thenFederermustbeananomaly,forhe'snumber2intheworldatjustabout34yearsofage.Heturnedprofessionalin1998,whichgiveshimaseventeen-yearlifespanasaprofessionalten
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